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| ID | Project | Category | View Status | Date Submitted | Last Update |
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| 0001884 | 1003.1(2024)/Issue8 | Shell and Utilities | public | 2024-12-05 09:21 | 2024-12-12 16:07 |
| Reporter | Love4Boobies | Assigned To | |||
| Priority | normal | Severity | Objection | Type | Error |
| Status | Resolved | Resolution | Accepted As Marked | ||
| Name | Bogdan Barbu | ||||
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| Section | file | ||||
| Page Number | https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/file.html | ||||
| Line Number | N/A | ||||
| Interp Status | --- | ||||
| Final Accepted Text | 0001884:0006991 | ||||
| Summary | 0001884: file references FORTRAN | ||||
| Description | The fort77 utility was removed in Issue 8 but the file utility still mandates that FORTRAN programs be tested for. | ||||
| Desired Action | In the STDOUT section, remove the entry for FORTRAN. | ||||
| Tags | tc1-2024 | ||||
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I agree that the file utility should not be required to test for FORTRAN source. In particular, the RATIONALE states (end of 2nd para):Only those types that are reasonably well specified in POSIX or are directly related to POSIX utilities are listed in the table. However, more changes are needed than just the STDOUT section. I will propose detailed changes in a separate note. |
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On page 2933 line 97898 section file (STDOUT), delete:| FORTRAN source | fortran program text | 3,5,6 | On page 2936 line 98028 section file (RATIONALE), change: binary data, C source, FORTRAN source, assembler source, ...to: binary data, source for C and other programming languages, assembler source, ... On page 2936 line 98032 section file (RATIONALE), after: Only those types that are reasonably well specified in POSIX or are directly related to POSIX utilities are listed in the table.add a sentence: Versions of this standard earlier than Issue 8 included a FORTRAN development option, and so the file utility was required to attempt to identify FORTRAN source. This is no longer required. On page 2937 line 98057 section file (RATIONALE), change: shell scripts, C, FORTRAN, and other computer language source files, and ...to: shell scripts, source for C and other programming languages, assembler source, and ... |
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I also saw FORTRAN mentioned in the rationale but I don't think those changes are necessary because rationale merely describes some historical context. After all, it still mentions assembler source, troff source, etc. and those aren't defined by POSIX either. These things can be seen throughout the document, not just on this page. |
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Apart from the change suggested in my previous comment to reintroduce those sentences to the rationale, I've also tracked down a few other instances of FORTRAN. Should I open a new ticket? For reference: 1. The FR margin code in 1.8.1. 2. _POSIX2_FORT_RUN in <unistd.h>, in 2.1.6.2, and in D.3.2. 3. The FORTRAN standard appears in the Referenced Documents in the Informative References section. 4. The asa utility should be removed as its point is to handle carriage control conventions commonly associated with FORTRAN programs. Its rationale even says this is its only intended purpose. |
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Re: 0001884:0006987 I remember asa being discussed back when the decision was made to mark fort77 OB in Issue 7. The decision was not to mark asa OB, hence why it was retained in Issue 8 when the OB stuff from 7 was removed. The other things you mention (FR, _POSIX2_FORT_RUN, Referenced Documents) are there because of asa. This is all as intended. |
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On page 2933 line 97898 section file (STDOUT), delete:| FORTRAN source | fortran program text | 3,5,6 | On page 2936 line 98028 section file (RATIONALE), change: binary data, C source, FORTRAN source, assembler source, ...to: binary data, source for C and other programming languages, ... On page 2936 line 98032 section file (RATIONALE), after: Only those types that are reasonably well specified in POSIX or are directly related to POSIX utilities are listed in the table.add a sentence: Versions of this standard earlier than Issue 8 included a FORTRAN development option, and so the file utility was required to attempt to identify FORTRAN source. This is no longer required. On page 2937 line 98057 section file (RATIONALE), change: shell scripts, C, FORTRAN, and other computer language source files, and ...to: shell scripts, source for C and other programming languages, and ... |
| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
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| 2024-12-05 09:21 | Love4Boobies | New Issue | |
| 2024-12-05 09:21 | Love4Boobies | Name | => Bogdan Barbu |
| 2024-12-05 09:21 | Love4Boobies | Section | => file |
| 2024-12-05 09:21 | Love4Boobies | Page Number | => https://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/9799919799/utilities/file.html |
| 2024-12-05 09:21 | Love4Boobies | Line Number | => N/A |
| 2024-12-05 09:35 | geoffclare | Note Added: 0006984 | |
| 2024-12-05 09:46 | geoffclare | Note Added: 0006985 | |
| 2024-12-05 09:56 | Love4Boobies | Note Added: 0006986 | |
| 2024-12-05 12:04 | Love4Boobies | Note Added: 0006987 | |
| 2024-12-05 12:14 | Love4Boobies | Note Edited: 0006987 | |
| 2024-12-05 12:15 | Love4Boobies | Note Edited: 0006986 | |
| 2024-12-05 12:16 | Love4Boobies | Note Edited: 0006986 | |
| 2024-12-05 14:24 | geoffclare | Note Added: 0006988 | |
| 2024-12-05 17:18 | geoffclare | Note Edited: 0006988 | |
| 2024-12-05 17:36 | geoffclare | Note Added: 0006991 | |
| 2024-12-12 16:06 | geoffclare | Note Edited: 0006991 | |
| 2024-12-12 16:07 | geoffclare | Interp Status | => --- |
| 2024-12-12 16:07 | geoffclare | Final Accepted Text | => 0001884:0006991 |
| 2024-12-12 16:07 | geoffclare | Status | New => Resolved |
| 2024-12-12 16:07 | geoffclare | Resolution | Open => Accepted As Marked |
| 2024-12-12 16:08 | geoffclare | Tag Attached: tc1-2024 |
